What Does Ron Paul Stand For?

You’ve probably overheard or observed various progressives and anti-war idealists praising Ron Paul for his foreign policy record while virtually ignoring his awful record on an array of other issues.

Last year, Glenn Greenwald wrote a virtual love letter to Ron Paul and, towards the end, he off-handedly mentioned Paul’s “odious” positions on other issues. He wrote a sentence or two covering his ass following a lengthy dissertation about Paul’s greatness.

But what exactly are those other positions?

First, Ron Paul has consistently been the most conservative member of Congress, based on his voting record. And that’s not just this year or last year alone. He has the most conservative voting record in Congress since 1937. Think of the most conservative wingnut you can come up with. Ron Paul is to that guy’s right. Michele Bachmann, Steve King, Louie Gohmert — Ron Paul has them beat by a gazillion miles. Again, the most conservative since 1937. There have been more than 3,000 members of Congress in that time.

As everyone knows, he’s a disciple of fiction writer Ayn Rand. Among other things, Paul’s libertarianism is manifested in his desire to eliminate many cabinet level departments including the U.S. Department of Education, the U.S. Department of Energy, the U.S. Department of Commerce, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Interstate Commerce Commission and the Internal Revenue Service. Yeah, it’s okay to risk a significant loss of government services, and the millions of American lives effected, in order to stop drone attacks.

On the Rand note, Paul is opposed to tax increases and government spending. In fact, he wants to roll back federal spending levels to 2000 numbers. This would practically destroy the slow economic recovery and potentially slide us into another depression.

Ron Paul also interprets the 2nd Amendment to mean an unfettered right to bear arms.

Of course all of his talk about personal liberty comes to an abrupt halt on the issue of abortion. Paul is staunchly pro-life and supports the criminalization of abortion — calling for the arrest of abortion doctors, presumably for murder.

Paul is quoted on his website: “There has to be a criminal penalty for the person that’s committing that crime. And I think that is the abortionist.”

For a self-proclaimed Constitutionalist, Paul doesn’t support privacy rights and the 14th Amendment.

And Paul would leave these laws up to the states. We all know how fair state-level crime and punishment can be, especially in death penalty states.

Speaking of which, Ron Paul supports states’ rights. As we all know, the issue of unrestricted states’ rights was settled 150 years ago when 650,000 were killed when southern states refused to free their slaves.

While Ron Paul is often praised for his non-interventionism and his position on civil liberties, he voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists in 2001. This legislation gave the Bush administration unprecedented war powers following 9/11.

Ron Paul voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, authorizing hundreds of miles of new border fences. Despite being lauded as a civil liberties hero, he supported the Defense of Marriage Act. He also co-sponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which beefed up DOMA and stopped judges from overturning the rule. He’s against universal healthcare.

He thinks global warming is a hoax and doesn’t support any regulation of industry to prevent pollution and greenhouse gas emissions.

And finally, he has a long record of obvious racism. He voted against affirmative action, opposed the Civil Rights Act, opposed the renewal of the Voting Rights Act, and distributed racist newsletters.

Yes, Ron Paul’s libertarianism leads him to some positive ideas on foreign policy and civil liberties. But this very same ideology also leads him to a wide variety of utterly horrific positions spanning nearly the entire spectrum of public policy — positions that would cause significant harm, damage and destruction to the economy, to women, to minorities and to nearly everything progressives value.

If you fancy yourself a progressive and support this guy, you’re out of your mind. If indefinite detention and predator drones are high, if not exclusive, priorities for you, then vote for Ron Paul. Just think about what you’re trading away.

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  • ainsleyroad

    He is fucking insane.

  • rgbyref

    Agreed, fervently.

  • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

    There are many things to call Ron Paul out especially his stance the business can regulate better than government as a rule of thumb…In light of the latest resurfacing of the racist newsletters the two biggest defenses of him, besides the echoed red herring arguments, is that he is the presidential candidate who is 1.) Most anti-war and 2.) loves the bill of rights most. I am not going to focus on #2, rather just point it out because it is an absurd claim…

    But most “anti-war”…Compared to whom? The anti-war stance sounds off, but may be accurate given his stance on Iraq, which, by the way, was very popular among Democrats during the run up to the war. But let’s not focus on the stance on one unpopular war, let’s focus on his thoughts on what that means in the bigger picture and how it is actually works against his “free market” philosophy. He is not anti-war, he is an isolationist who doesn’t think we can do any good to the global economy (it can be argued he is a protectionist, but will disguise it, as with other things, with his pro freedom stance) with our military presence places. The “empire” he talks about, sounds scary when you believe him. But the “empire” is just military deployed to aid us and our allies…especially providing for our businesses abroad. Think about evacuations of people (one thing that comes to mind, is the No Reservation episode where the crew and other Americans were evacuated during the Israeli Bombings in 2006), or policing pirates in popular shipping areas, and aiding 3rd world countries in getting water to those without it where if they didn’t get the water we’d probably be spending more money in helping in more militaristic means.

    All those are examples of what he would stop in his “anti-war” stance. All these things are altruistic operations we do and really don’t have to. But it is a duty we have given our global status and our business and consumer interest globally. All would be things Ron Paul would try to stop as part of his “anti-war” agenda.

  • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

    Nice article. The writer ends this rather weak ‘attempt’ at journalism with the line: “Just think about what you’re trading away…” Do you think the millions of RP supporters around the world didn’t before they declared their support for him?
    Your facts might be true, I assume they are as you have written them in your name, but true also is this fact: Ron Paul is the only candidate whose voting record falls PERFECTLY in line with his principles. He backs up his talk. Believe it or not that accounts for something nowadays. None of the other candidates, Obama included, have that distinction. Its funny how the writer acknowledges that while bashing him simultaneously. The people aren’t stupid. Stop it. It insults our intelligence. Happy New Year.

    • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

      I would argue that politics and government is not a game and is not something where your voting record needs to fit with your ideology. In this case, what some people call principled, I call ineffective and someone who just has no interest in getting things done over their own political ego trip. If I didn’t do some compromising at my job and refused to support ideas that were against mine, I would be unemployed. This is one area where people need to be realistic about the world and realize how much compromising they do on a daily basis and try not to hold others to a standard they can not keep for themselves. Anyone who does not do some compromising at their job ends up unemployed.

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        Abraham Lincoln & Ron Reagan are just two examples of leaders who stuck to their ideologies while everyone around them wavered. Reagan had Cuba at his backyard all strapped and ready to go but he stayed true to his non-interventionist ideals and prevented the loss of millions of lives. Iran do not even have a relevant Air Force and yet we panic when RP says he will change our tactic completely in regards to the Middle East. Pitiful. I want a leader who stands firm to his beliefs when everyone around him insists the grass is greener on the other side. I want a leader to tell his citizens he’ll do everything in his power to avoid the loss of LIFE, be it American or Iraqi. It is our duty as American Citizens, and leaders of the Free World to do so. People should look to America & dream, not spit on their TVs and spend gas on cheap lighters burning our flag….

        • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

          huh? Reagan and Cuba? Reagan bombed the Bejeezus out of Libya.

          Saying changing tactics is one thing, but complete non-interventionist may be a good principle, but not something that a president could or should idealically stick to when circumstances say otherwise.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I agree. RP stood up for Israel (against popular opinion) and her sovereignty on many an occasion. Stood up for her when all others were aggrieved she used her bombs without US consent. He is a Libertarian. He is not stupid. He served in the Air Force for crying out loud. Ask Romney what he did to avoid the draft. Please don’t judge RP based on what the mainstream media are feeding you. Do you think these large news corporations are going to endorse the only man hell bent on reducing their power & influence??

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            Can we still judge him based on his support of racism?

            You defend a racist. Or at the very least, a man that reaped massive profit by throwing “red meat” to racists.

            Good luck with that.

            Frankly, I don’t know how you can square that with your “principles”. I suspect you don’t have any. Or they are flexible when it comes to someone you adore.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I’m guessing you’re not black. Its just a guess. There’s no educated black man knowledgeable of this man’s history who will call him a racist. Actions speak louder than words. Look at his actions over the last 30 years, then ask yourself whether he is a racist. I’m sure you’ll still come up with the sheep’s answer. It is rather impossible to combine a medical practice with the running of a newsletter….there are only 24 hours in a day. And if you have ever heard of the term ‘ghostwriter’ before, in fact if you have ever been involved in grass root journalism then you could see how this man speaks the truth when he says he wasn’t made aware of those racist remarks until 10 years after they were published. I am an educated black man who can trace his roots to the very area my last name comes from. I think i’ll know a racist when i see one…

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            Your response is utterly full of shit. It’s not even worth addressing. Paul’s newsletter was racist racist racist.

            If you do not recognize that, you have never read it.

            If you have, and you still think it’s not racist, you are stupid stupid stupid.

          • http://twitter.com/KenInCO Ken Johnson

            I am part black and very educated. Ron Paul is a racist.

          • jjasonham

            Wrong person replied to. Sorry Toaster!

          • ryo80

            I am very much a black man, and I say he is racist. Anyone who gives the approval of his name on those newsletters is either incompetent (which he is not) or in agreement with them.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            Ron Paul NEVER stood up for Israel. He is an anti-semite. He is a Bircher. He has a TERRIBLE record on Israel.

            YOU are no more than an astroturfing LIAR for Ron Paul.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Wow. I refuse to argue with a fool. People wont be able to tell who is who from a distance…

          • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

            Agreed! He claims to be the most Israel-friendly but only that he supports policies that put them on their own island, so to speak, much in the same way he claims he is non-racist by not supporting the civil rights act.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            He NEVER stood up for Israel? Seriously?? Why do I even bother??

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            @paultard

            He believes that Israel should cease to exist as a state, that the lands be given to the Palestinians. He ONLY defended the right of a country–which happened to be Israel–to defend itself against enemies, which happened to be Iraq or Iran……can’t recall which.
            Adding…….his racist newsletters were also homophobic and anti-Semitic.

            http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/

          • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

            Sorry Nicole, as your bias shows, you have a 2012 obama picture goin on there. So obviously you are just going to go along with the sheep that say Ron Paul is a racist. Look him up, read his reasoning for stuff. He is the only person that listens to Israel!! APPARENTLY OBAMA ISN’T LISTENING BECAUSE NETANYAHU SAID HE Doesn’t NEED AMERICAN HELP TO DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. OR DO YOU NOT PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WORLD LEADERS SAY AND ONLY WHAT WARHAWKING POLITICAL PUNDITS SAY

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole
          • jjasonham

            Um, I’m an educated gay black man and if you can’t see that he’s racist AND homophobic, you just can’t read. He’s telling you exactly what he believes in his newsletters. Barring hopping on a horse and hunting down black or gay people, writing a newsletter spouting those horrific ideas is an ACTION that speaks loud and clear. This man isn’t dumb. He has his own practice. Owning a practice doesn’t take up 24 hours in a day. And writing couldn’t be easier or more efficient when you truly believe what you’re saying. GET A GRIP.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I choose to look at his actions over a 30 year period, rather than look at words that MAY have been written by him. He was NOT the only one who wrote the articles in this newsletter….

            and even if he IS racist, so what?? Let’s be honest, every human being has some sort of racial preference or the other. He was born in 1935 co chances are he IS racist. I am not getting that misconstrued. But his policy on drugs is very ANTI racist, as i am sure you will agree as an educated black man. Just read a bit more and i’m sure your intelligence will do the rest…

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            This moron, Skiñï §pittå , is not worth the time we are devoting to him/her/it. He is either a stupid paid troll, or he is a true Paultard without the intelligence to understand the insane idiot he worships.
            Ugh. This whole thing with Ron Paul and some of the so-called liberals is just so damn ugly, jjason, it makes me want to leave the damn country.

          • jjasonham

            Ron Paul is responsible for those newsletters and it is an action he’s taken. How many bills has he sponsored that have passed? What actions are you referring to other than his statements? The newsletter is included in his statements. Don’t make the mistake in assuming that I’m trying to convince you not to defend Ron Paul. You can do whatever you want and convince yourself of what you must in order to get by. The problem for you is, Ron Paul will always be marginalized, he will never be President. I know this because his “crazy” outweighs his pseudo-sensible comments. It always has, and it continues to do so. He is not the only thinking person in this country, and this current episode in his long saga of being on the outside is proof that he will never be a viable alternative that can withstand any scrutiny.

          • nabsentia23

            I’m an educated black woman and I say Ron Paul is a racist.

          • nabsentia23

            And I’m knowledgeable about Paul’s past. More so than many of his supporters. It’s amazing that many of them didn’t even know he was anti-choice. They took his “libertarnism” to heart.

        • Robert Scalzi

          Go Fuck yourself Idiot fucktard

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Happy New Year to you too…

          • jmby

            Could not agree more, Robert. Could not agree more.

        • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

          So you are perfectly happy to make assertions (because they sound like “truth” to you, even though they have no basis in reality.

          Seriously, why the fuck are you even commenting here.

          We’re not here to educate you, you entitled twit. That ship already sailed. And clearly you missed the boat.

          Whatever the hell happened to you, it’s not our job to rectify your ignorance.

          Go read a book, FFS – this is an *adult* conversation, so you are not invited.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            FTW.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I am here to educate misled humans like you. People like you who make Americans the laughing stock of the whole world. If only you know how dumb we look when we defend our leaders…if only…

            I would not be here arguing with you if i did not conduct my own independent research into Ron Paul’s assertions. Some wild accusations have been tossed his way, and I just don’t want a neutral to come on this blog, read what u big bank supporters and corporatism lovers are typing and think that’s the whole truth. There’s always a second side to the story. Always. The people are awake. And we know what we want. END THE FED!! Give the dollar back its value!! End these senseless wars!! The rest we can compromise on….

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            STFU. You are incapable of educating yourself, much less anyone else.

          • http://twitter.com/PaxFeminina J Garrick

            I am afraid that I cannot compromise on racism, homophobia or reproductive rights. I am also very tired of hearing people claim that this man is a Libertarian. Educate yourself as to what true Libertarians thought…try out John Stuart Mill just for starters.

            “The subject of this Essay is not the so-called Liberty of the Will, so unfortunately opposed to the misnamed doctrine of Philosophical Necessity; but Civil, or Social Liberty: the nature and limits of the power which can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual.”

            http://www.bartleby.com/130/

      • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

        Is it ineffective to get one bill passed in congress? One bill, In a congress that nobody has liked… ever?! Do you think he should be agreeing with Congress? Are you part of the 13% that loves congress? Congress passed the NDAA. Do you have to compromise with Wall Street Lobbyists/big tobacco in order to keep your job?

        Ron Paul does and he DOESN’T compromise with those shitty lobbyists. I think his job is a little more important than yours, (no offense), but EVERYONE voted for the NDAA except for like 7 people!!! It wasn’t even contested!! Do you want drones flying over the homeland? Get real buddy, you are “fucking insane”. You are a hater of freedom and I seriously would like to punch you in the face for being so ignorant. We need someone who has BALLS as president. Obama isn’t that and Ron Paul has shown that he does has balls for many of years.

        Politics AND government are a game and the only way to play it right is to stand by what you have said your whole career and hope and pray that the corporate controlled media(which goes hand in hand with establishment dems(msnbc) and repubs(FOX)) backs you up.

    • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

      “Ron Paul is the only candidate whose voting record falls PERFECTLY in line with his principles.”

      So he has a shitty record and shitty principles?

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        If you call voting against tax bumps and congressional pay rises consistently a “shitty record” then yeah, he has a shitty record. If the belief that government SERVES the people instead of CONTROLLING the people with laws like the NDAA and the “Patriot Act” (the name is so ironic stand up comedians must think Christmas came early) is a “shitty principle” then yeah, that shit stinks to the high heavens. The people sure must love rolling in shit….

        • Robert Scalzi

          You know nothing of US politics, please keep your idiotic drivel to yourself

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          Go back to the UK. We’re full up with morons here.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Funny. Did I ever say i wasn’t in the UK? Americans like you are the reason why Americans like me steer clear of political debates over here. Have fun being a tax slave, slave.

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            No skin in game. Go home.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            Actually, yes, you did imply that you live here.

            Congress was built to allay our fears of any ‘crazies’ as checks, balances and judicial precedents have long been put in place to fight any radical policies brought up. Funny enough, the NDAA and the ‘Patriot Act’ offer proof that they have been doing exactly the opposite. No matter how you might want to spin it, or look at it, he is our best choice. We have gone so far in one direction perhaps we need a sharp tug in the opposite direction to stabilize our lives…

            yes, “we” “our” qualify as intimations of your homesteading here, if not citizenship.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Wow. And you claim to understand English…

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            He didn’t claim he lived here. He did claim to be a US citizen.

            But he hasn’t lived here for nearly a decade.

            In otherwords, for him – it really doesn’t matter WHO gets elected president here.

            No skin in game.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Thanks toaster. At least you’ve got an IQ worth bragging about. But i ask you, does my living outside the US for so long help or hinder my cause to my country? I have family in Palo Alto, (California) and in the DMV. My best friend lives in Chicago. How am I not affected by what goes on in the US? How am I not in the ‘game’?? You are wrong, kind sir. The fact that i am outside the box gives me a much better perspective than all of you trapped in the box. Lets not even address the fact i have been home at least once a year every year so the changes are more profound every time i set foot back on US soil…

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            skinny, it makes your views irrelevant.

            If you won’t put your money where your mouth is, and move back stateside, your positions on US politics mean fuck-all to the people that actually have to live here.

          • http://progressivepoc.com/ princss6

            I do not know one self-respecting black man that would call another person a slave.

        • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

          By shitty record, I was referring to his laughable record of passing legislation in the House. He’s had what, one bill passed in the last 20 years? And it was a pork project for his home district, which is dripping with irony.

          And hey, I support a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas. NDAA had some nasty stuff in there and the Patriot Act is an all-around terrible idea. I also think we should legalize all drugs and get the government out of the personal lives of our citizens. Unfortunately, those good ideas of Paul’s are coupled with complete lunacy like abolishing public education and letting business run roughshod over its employees and economy.

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            Don’t forget his ancient economic policy.

            Gold Standard. LMFAO.

            He’s insane.

          • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

            Indeed. And I love the idea that gold is valuable. It’s only valuable because we say it’s valuable… it’s shiny and purty!

            Money, no matter what is backing it, is only valuable because we as a species say it’s valuable.

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            Nice. You just summed up the inherent dissonance in Ron’s position on the gold standard.

            Well played, sir. =)

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Our dollar needs to be anchored to something. Right now its as free as a 2010 Osama bin Laden. Be it gold, copper, even fucking underwear…it needs an anchor. And since gold is THE most valuable commodity on the market these days, whats so bad about it??

          • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

            But why is gold valuable? What does it do? If the apocalypse came tomorrow, I’d be hoarding Twinkies. Maybe we should back the dollar with those.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Typical American. My views don’t matter because i chose to broaden my horizons and see the world, take in other cultures…live life to the full rather than remain in a place where people seem to think they are the only ones that matter on this earth. People like you are the reason why 9/11 might happen again. We’re doomed. I hope and pray that my fellow Americans can rise above this ignorance (that’s the only word for it you see) and save us from further enslavement. I mean, the government can spy on us without our permission, can detain us indefinitely without trial if they deem it fit…where do we stop?? Seriously?? Have a Happy New Year. From the Queen’s Country. Haha!!!

          • jmby

            Your views don’t matter because you are uneducated about the subjects on which you write, and are misinformed and apparently willfully ignorant about Ron Paul’s misguided, wrong-headed and dangerous positions on almost everything. Or are stupid, crazy and selfish enough to agree.

            Your views don’t matter because you no longer have to live every day with the consequences of your own or Ron Paul’s voting record.

            Your views don’t matter because you are a supercilious fool who would rather parse words than honestly examine and evaluate the ideals behind the garbage you and Paul spout.

            And for the record, I’ve had my horizons broadened while living in Italy, Spain, France, and while working with Lost Boys from the Sudan, homeless and at-risk families here in the U.S., and with physically and mentally challenged children and adults here and on the Continent. I have seen desperate need and understand Paul and the Randians don’t know or care about any of it. So you must pardon me when I reply to your ignorant and snarky post above with a heartfelt “Fuck you”.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            What is so insane about the Gold Standard?? What is so insane about using the most valuable commodity on the earth right now as the measuring scale on which we place our dollar?? Our dollar is currently running all over the place. The Fed can wake up tomorrow and decide to print a trillion notes. And we wonder why our jobs have gone overseas…we wonder why wages have been flat while everything else has gone up. We wonder.

          • http://twitter.com/PaxFeminina J Garrick

            The most valuable commodity on Earth right now as deemed by the rich old men who control the U.S. economy…you are playing into their hands.

            The reason all the jobs are going overseas is because in the supposed “free market” capitalist system, the whole object is profit. And overseas workers work for less money. A lot less, because they don’t have things like ‘Labor codes’ and ‘employment insurance’ and ‘unions’.

            No amount of government cuts are going to take the money out of the hands that control it currently.

            IMO, the most valuable commodity in the U.S. are the people. But then again I’m a liberal.

    • Robert Scalzi

      So what !! his principles are SHIT Get Bent

    • The_Dork_Knight

      Ron Paul is the only candidate whose voting record falls PERFECTLY in line with his principles.

      Well, I agree with that. Unfortunately, his principled voting record in support of his batshit insane, Objectivist cultist ideology kind of makes me worried. I’ll take cynical triagulation over a true believer any day of the week when what that true believer believes is insane and dangerous.

      Ron Paul would have no problem whatsoever in walking past a million homeless starving children without a second glance. Millions of men working themselves to death or tens of millions dying from lack of health care could not stir him to action. Why? Because his actions will always fall PERFECTLY in line with his principles. He’s a true believer in one of the most deadly and horrific memes ever created by man.

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        “Ron Paul would have no problem whatsoever in walking past a million homeless starving children without a second glance. ” Really?? If you don’t understand what libertarian ism is, just do everyone a favor and say so sir. What you have spewed forth amounts to nothing more than ill advised propaganda. Congress was built to allay our fears of any ‘crazies’ as checks, balances and judicial precedents have long been put in place to fight any radical policies brought up. Funny enough, the NDAA and the ‘Patriot Act’ offer proof that they have been doing exactly the opposite. No matter how you might want to spin it, or look at it, he is our best choice. We have gone so far in one direction perhaps we need a sharp tug in the opposite direction to stabilize our lives…

        • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

          Libertarianism: A political ideology constructed to justify White Male Privilege. An ideology that exists solely for the benefit of people who were born on 3rd base but would like to believe they hit a triple.

          There. That should clear things up.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Not quite sure i follow that analogy kind sir…nice try though…ask Google next time, okay??

          • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

            It wasn’t an analogy. It was an observation.

            If there’s an argument against public education, you’re it.

        • The_Dork_Knight

          Where is the word Libertarianism in what I wrote? I was talking about Objectivism, and the cultists who believe it. The ones who name their child Rand, for example.

          But since you brought it up, do Libertarians not wish to deconstruct the social welfare system on ideological grounds? Would they not do away with every law or regulation that would constain one person from pursuing his own narrow self interest at the expense of everyone else? Would a Libertarian not say that the poor huddled masses should simply pull themselves up by their bootstraps (while willfully ignoring the fact that they havent got any boots?)

          Are Libertarians not interested soley in Freedom (especially their own) without recognising that Democracies cannot function without Order and some reasonable level of Equality? We have a name for absolute Freedom. Its called Anarchy.

          Maybe its not me who doesnt understand what Libertarianism is.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            The social welfare system encourages laziness. Why should i work my butt off for someone else who sits down all day waiting for the next govt cheque?? I happen to agree with the Libertarian principle there. Call me wicked, call me whatever, but i expect to reap ALL the benefits of what i sow. Not part of it, ALL of it…

          • http://twitter.com/Beulahmo Laura

            Oh, good lord. You’re still in high school, aren’t you?

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I wish i was still in high school. I really do. Like it or not there are people out there who choose to party all day & night with their welfare checks. Fathers who drink and gamble. Mothers who cash their cheques, go grocery shopping (if the kids are lucky) and sit down waiting for the next one. They aren’t disabled. They arent mentally ill. They are just lazy. We have to pay for their laziness. Is THAT fair??

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S7NUGMJ2FDHYATRLWFEFCC5CQI schemata

            Skini

            There are people out there who, through a barely regulated free market, sell toxicity to unwitting buyers, who push people into loans they know they can’t afford, who gamble with investors money, who are, in essence, legally stealing money. Should we let the victims of these greedy sociopaths starve? should we let their children die in the streets?

            You pushing the Lazy Welfare Recipient meme says more about you than almost anything else you’ve typed in these comments thus far. It isn’t pretty. It is compassionless right-wing-fever-dream drivel.

          • http://twitter.com/eaglesfanintn eaglesfanintn

            Skini – party all day & night on their welfare checks? Come on, that whole “welfare queens driving cadillacs” meme of Ronald Reagan has been debunked over and over again.
            I have an idea – let’s put you on welfare for six months or so and see how much you “party”. You will be hard pressed just to pay rent and buy food.
            In addition, I’ve worked since I was 14. If I lost my job now I would expect to get unemployment that I’ve paid into for the last 29 years. When I retire, I expect to get Social Security that I’ve paid into for that last 29 years.
            And, if I had to go on welfare (universe forbid), well, I’ve paid taxes all that time as well.
            Your broad brush shows your ignorance.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            By God, you are just a really ignorant idiot.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Coming from you that doesn’t count. Believe me.

          • The_Dork_Knight

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S7NUGMJ2FDHYATRLWFEFCC5CQI schemata

            “The social welfare system encourages laziness. ”

            Um, no. It enables people to live who would otherwise die. It enables people to eat who would otherwise starve. It enables people to have shelter who would otherwise be homeless. Fuck, providing for the general WELFARE is even in the Beloved Document.

            Do some take advantage? Hell yes. Do some greedy assholes take advantage of a barely regulated “free market” to rob people blind, forcing them to seek gov’t assistance when they wouldn’t otherwise need it? Fuck yes.

          • http://twitter.com/AminCad AminCad

            Social welfare creates more poverty in the long run. It teaches the wrong lessons, and creates the wrong incentives for people.

            If you think millions of people don’t abuse and grow dependent on welfare programs, then you have no world experience.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S7NUGMJ2FDHYATRLWFEFCC5CQI schemata

            @AmindCad

            “..then you have no world experience.”

            Piss off. At 6 months my alcoholic father left my mother. I lived from 1 year to 6 years in the projects, eating because of gov’t help, sheltered because of gov’t help, alive because of gov’t help. My mother was grateful for the help and repayed it in kind by climbing out of poverty. She remarried, got a degree and her and my step-father had respectable careers which they retired from, very comfortably.

            I have plenty of experience, thank you.

            OTOH, if you think that millions of people who receive gov’t help become lazy, dependent suckers of the gov’t teat, it is YOU who has no experience. You bought into the racist imaginings of immoral, conservative spin-doctors.

            Social welfare creates opportunity for people to climb out of poverty, whether of their own making, or a result of unregulated, legal theft by their supposed betters.

            Do some abuse the system? Yes. I’d wager its less than the amount that abuse barely-regulated free markets to steal money.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            @AmindCad

            Fuck you. You are an ass with your 69 Twitter followers. Fuck you hard.

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        Well said, TDK, well said.

    • Cha Eva

      ron paul is a fucking hypocritical racist, weasel, cockroach, homophobe and it counts for nothing.

    • D_C_Wilson

      “Do you think the millions of RP supporters around the world didn’t before they declared their support for him?”

      No.

    • http://www.broadwaycarl.com Broadway Carl

      “‘Just think about what you’re trading away…’ “Do you think the millions of RP supporters around the world didn’t before they declared their support for him? “

      A: Yes. I’m willing to bet that they didn’t think about it. They like his plain talk, but I don’t think they looked at his record. Not just his voting record, his entire record.

  • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

    Military deployed to your allies….allies who have problems explaining to their citizens time & time again why they have to send their kids to fight America’s wars. I really don’t think it is common sense to prop up lagging economies with foreign aid that could be used to provide jobs in the private sector, jobs with competition, thus limiting the need for government to intervene… We have to go back to the basics. RP is not Jesus Christ, but he recognizes that fact and wants to put America on the right path. As the Big Brother of the Western World it is up to the US government to influence the policies of other nations with their actions. Take the first step & the rest of the world might believe your talk AND follow those footsteps…

    • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

      I think there is a difference between military deployed to allies where it is welcomed and occupation. Some of out “deployments” to places like Japan and Germany are mutual agreements that helps more than us. Also, foreign aid is a tricky subject and what works well and what doesn’t. But there are definitely some places that need some help “propping” themselves up. Should we help all? Probably not, but ideally we should help everyone (isn’t that what Christ would do?) but in lieu of not having the means we can do something…and in our case we do what helps out our global free market enterprises…Yes, it is insane in today’s day, we still have to kill people to make a point. I wish it was obsolete. And…doesn’t every candidate want to put America on the right path?

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        I understand your point. I don’t however, think you fully comprehend the situation we the American people find ourselves in economically. The dollar has been slowly but steadily losing value since the day i was born. That has been the case for a quite a while apparently. This trend is only going to continue, meaning the amount of foreign aid will only get larger and the taxpayers bill will only respond in kind. Very soon our dollar is not going to mean much. We are at best 20 years behind Europe. That future doesn’t look particularly promising as i am sure you would agree. RP is the only one candid enough to tell it like it is. There are many paths to take…his seems closer to what i imagine America to be…especially financially. Drastic times call for drastic measures. If you don’t call these drastic times then well…this debate was over before it even started really…

        • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

          Yes, I do understand the economic situation, trust me..Personally and theoretically. I am separating the two out…it is one thing of having something as an option and not having the means to do it. It is another thing to not do something out of principle. Much of Ron Paul’s policy is not to do something regardless. I am not saying of doing everything we want, but to know our options. AND can we put to rest the “Ron Paul tells it like it is”? Like everyone else he tells it how he sees and his followers tend to think it is gospel. Also, his econ policies and belief will only make things worse for everyone…maybe better for the 1%, since it is Economic Darwinism.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Not all of his ‘wacky’ principles are going to survive the battlefield that is Congress. And i would like to add that countries like Sweden have prospered following a far more conservative (or radical) to life in general. Yes there are bad guys, but that doesn’t call for over 700 military bases around the world…what irks me the most is this idea among us that we are the ‘good guys’. Step out of America, in any direction, and i promise you; the entire world views us as Doctor Evil. I know some of us have a hard time coming to terms with that fact, but care to do your own research and you’ll be shocked at the amount dirt we have on our hands. AND at the realization that our government make millions from the very laws that put us in this mess. That realization is what made me listen to Ron Paul. He is the only one fighting the fight of the individual. Not the group. Yes his policies on a lot of issues might be a little too liberal, but what else Congress for but to fight him on these? He actually FIGHTS for Congress to have their role properly reinstated as a check/balance of power, not the tool for the executive arm it has become today. Like i said, he is not Jesus, but he is sure as hell the best bet out there. Obama included.

    • caribbeanobserver

      Hey skini, even through any normal person’s eyes,one can see that this old racist man is the maddest hatter of the mad hatter party. Americans always seem to peddle farfetched intellectual discourse/ spin on what is known as the brutal truth staring them right in the face. That is why people outside of America are more fully able to understand more readily the dynamics and antics of US politics. Yep,that is what cable tv and the internet does.

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        Hey…i would advise you to do your own research before you place a label on a man. I am an American citizen born with African parents who has lived in the UK for the past 8 years. So i think i fall into the ‘outside’ category that you speak of. Here is a man who argues that the ‘War Against Drugs’ are targeted against minorities, and has done so consistently for 30 years. There are videos online that prove this. He points out that opium was a respectable middle class drug in America until the 1800′s when the Chinese came into town to build the railroads…and loads more. I am not one of those blinded by the Stars & Stripes, thank God. If his policies seems far fetched to you, consider this: What if we have strayed so far from what the original idea of a Republic actually is?? This can’t be what our founding fathers imagined for us…Thomas Jefferson spoke out against the banks regularly. Every politician except RP wants to ‘compromise’ with these bankers. I’m not fooled, far from it. Nor should you be. Do you think someone who voted that MLK should have a National Day in his honor is racist? John McCain voted AGAINST that bill. I choose to judge a man by his actions, not words that may or may not be written by him. The profile they show you of this man is not consistent with his voting record. Abraham Lincoln was a slave owner yet led the war that freed them. The people are awake. And we know what we want.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=624879376 Kerry Reid

          Abraham Lincoln owned slaves? Really? Care to prove that astounding assertion? http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/02/lincoln.html

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            Interesting article…thanks for that…no arguments here…

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          WAKE the fuck up!

          Not only did Lincoln NOT own slaves, but Ron Paul thinks we should have done a bailout for slaveowners, thus rewarding the miserable filth for their enslavement of other human beings.

          Yeah….real progressive is Ron Paul.

          • jjasonham

            OMG. WOW. I’ve never seen that article before. Some of the other stuff Paul parrots has obviously been mentioned by other politicians to some degree. This bailout for slaveowners…No words. And Greenwald wants to say there are many other politicians just as crazy…

        • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

          I see. You live in the UK. So you have no skin in the game.

          Go home.

        • caribbeanobserver

          skini- I grew up and went to school in the UK, and visit all the time, I lived in the USA for a while and visit all the time, and now based in the Caribbean. I do believe that this is the 21st century where the basic tenets of society and people are lacking. Also,continued references to the past and other presidents hold you back. Live in the now,sweetie!

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            I am living in the now. The now states that i need to have at least 2 jobs to live the way i want to live. That was not so for my parents. Things that cost $100 when i was a toddler now cost way more. But wages have been flat. That is the now. My cousin is in Afghanistan. That is the now. I have family who were head hunted by JP Morgan only to be discharged a month later. That is the now we live in. Dare to dream boo boo.

            PS: Your 21st century tallies with mine…we have the same problems….i just think we need something radical to bring us back to our former greatness. The empire is crumbling whether we like it or not. We can make it slow and painful, relatively quick with a lot less pain. We cannot sustain our debt, no matter who’s policy we choose. Obama is raising the debt ceiling for the 3rd time in how many months?? Please read the writing on the wall. Please. For the sake of our kids…

  • gobrooklyn

    Maybe its time to sit Paul down (tie him down so he won’t run) and dig a little deeper into some of those “positive ideas” libs love so much. I’d bet money, there’s some crazy in there too.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    Yes, Ron Paul’s libertarianism leads him to some positive ideas on foreign policy and civil liberties.

    Bob, I hope you don’t really mean that.

    Ron Paul has no concern for civil liberties other than those beloved by the right wing such as the right to bear arms.

    If a state wanted to allow slavery, he would be fine with that.

    If a state decided to prosecute women for abortions, he would be fine with that too.

    Ron Paul is about states rights. He is about nullification. He is a tenther.

    His idea of “foreign policy” is isolationism.

    It is not about wars. It is not about a diminishment of the American Empire.

    It is about ignoring what goes on in the rest of the world.

    Ron Paul would have been fine with allowing genocide to occur in other countries so long as we didn’t go there or fund it.

    Ron Paul is fine with watching other countries starve to death or try to recover from devastating natural disasters and so forth and so on, so long as we don’t use our money or resources to assist them.

    distributed racist newsletters

    In the 1990′s, Paul didn’t deny writing those newsletters..

    Adding……….it is an awesome piece, Bob, and I know you likely don’t believe that there is anything really positive in RP’s outlook, I just wanted to clarify it for those reading. also. I am currently in a true rage about the liberal defense of this creepy little racist.

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      You make me weep. Actually, you don’t. You’re insignificant. I know this because you still associate Obama with ‘change’…turn the TV off every now and then…sell it even…

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        Go away. Your tiny insults are boring and your outlook indicates a person who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about human beings in general.

        Adding……..I don’t watch TV news, nor even the Sunday shows, since the mainstream corporate media is not to be trusted. My points about Paul come from a love of research, from his record, from his completely insane utterings.

    • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

      In Bob’s defense, he said “some,” which is true. When arguing with the Kool-Aid drinkers that support Paul, completely writing off all of his ideas isn’t going to help your case. And really, it’s not going to help America either, there are some good ideas in there.

      He’s like your crazy uncle at Christmas, he says some things that makes sense, but then he gets boozed up and blames everything on the Jews.

      I like Ron Paul’s ideas on ending the empire, legalizing all drugs and allowing people to control their property.

      Now, of course most of his ideas don’t hold up to real-world life in 2012 America and he relies too much on the idea that we’ll all just police ourselves and everything will be fine. Of course that’s naive, but I agree with the intention.

      Surely you need compromise, but Paul’s unwavering stance on his ideas is a good bookend on the right of the argument. Most of his ideas are terrible though, you’ll get no argument from me there.

  • http://twitter.com/JimmyAbra Jimmy Abraham

    I think it is safe to say, this is what Ron Paul stads for:

    (Title: My father the objectivist, How Ayn Rand ruined my life)
    http://www.salon.com/2011/04/05/my_father_the_objectivist/

    • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

      heh.

      I still suspect that Ayn Rand and Anton Lavey were fuck buddies.

      • villemar

        Seeing Ayn Rand naked would have made LaVey beg for God’s forgiveness.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      Yes.

      He is a man who really does not care about people at all.

  • Brutlyhonest

    Is Skiñï §pittå a true believer or a paid troll? One will never know.

    The idiocy that is ron paul and his followers is a cult; particularly apt as what little government he wants should be based on his religion. Sticking to your ideology may indeed be admirable, but when that ideology is lunacy, not so much.

    And while I won’t try to address each of the ridiculous comments it made, I will hit on this as our fucked up adventures in the mideast affected me personally over my 27 year USN career.

    Iran does indeed have a relevant air force because the US helped finance it for years – until they threw us out and we moved our financial support to Iraq (uncle saddam was a “good” dictator then) and Somalia. By the way, which of saint ronnie the raygun’s unwavering principles was he following when selling weapons/airplane parts (for that irrelevant air force) to sworn enemy Iran? Ho0w about when knowingly violating the law to launder the money from those sales to fund the overthrow of an elected government? How about when he invented the modern cut & run by skedaddling out of Lebanon after getting a couple hundred Sailors and Marines killed there?

    • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

      Either way, on your assessment of our resident crazy-person:

      I think the difference between cynical (eg: paid troll) and insane (eg: True Believer) is a distinction without a difference. At least in this case.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      I vote “paid troll”. I would add, a stupid paid troll.

      • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

        Coming from an American who cant speak English….i’m impressed.

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          meh.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            That’s more like it…

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            As toaster pastry already told you, if there’s an argument against public education, you’re it.

          • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

            That’s the spirit…

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      At least you know that we are the creators of our own demons. Ron Paul supporters, or his ‘cult’ as you so lovingly put it are the only ones who aren’t blinded by the facade…like you all unfortunately are. You must LOVE being a tax slave…LOVE the government nosing through your finances…LOVE watching your hard earned wages going to rich people in countries you’ll never see. Love hurts. You all sure love hurting…

      We are 20 years behind Europe. At best. Maybe you want your grand kids speaking Greek (joke). Maybe.

      And my ‘Saint Ronnie’ reference pointed to his battle with Cuba, who were certainly no push over like Iran, not his other well documented cock ups…we dump economics sanctions on them (Iran), send drones over their airspace and thn get alarmed when they build a nuclear weapon? We throw their democratically elected Prime Minister out in the 1950s then march in 60+ years later saying “Iran needs a democracy”?? Please…Ron Paul sees what the rest of the world sees. Im sure most of you commenting on this blog dont even have a US passport. Myopic sheep. I’ll leave u lost souls to yourselves now. Have a Happy New Year being a tax slave.

  • jjasonham

    Excellent post, Bob.

    The point is, people like Greenwald are contrarians who are always trying to “figure out” what politicians are “really” saying or attempting to do. When a person like Ron Paul comes out saying “exactly” what they mean, these contrarians can’t accept it for what it truly is and try to justify or explain it into something else. What it all boils down to is this: these contrarians will only see reality in one way….THEIR WAY. And they’ll use anything (single issues, twisted logic, selective memory) to preserve that.

  • http://twitter.com/TVHilton Tom Hilton

    Well said, and I agree completely.

    One thing: “Yes, Ron Paul’s libertarianism leads him to some positive ideas on foreign policy and civil liberties.”

    Well, up to a point. I would argue that the premises for those “positive ideas” (nativist isolationism and opposition to Federal power, respectively) make them utterly worthless from a liberal/progressive standpoint. Paul’s “civil liberties” stands are inseparable (because based on the same ‘principle’) from his opposition to the Civil Rights Act or his desire to dismantle the EPA.

    Much longer version of this here: http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2011/12/ron-paul-not-civil-libertarian-last.html

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    This would be for the moronic Ron Paul trolltard, Skiñï §pittå, who hypothosizes that RP is a defender of Israel.
    http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/

  • missliberties

    Ron Paul thinks EVERYThing is unconstitutional.

  • Brutlyhonest

    That’s it folks. The superior intellect of Skiñï §pittå has convinced me to be a selfish, libertarian, religious zealot like ron paul just because I agree with the basic principle of stopping fucking with other countries’ internal politics without considering the cascading consequences of our actions.

    • http://robcypher.blogspot.com/ Rob Cypher

      LOL, misread your post. Never mind. Carry on.

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      I agree with some of his principles. Not ALL. Mainly his economic & foreign policies. And i do think govt. has become too big. I disagree with his views on abortion because, well, i just feel women have to be protected by the state, since men do quite a shitty job with that. But you guys come on here and talk about the man like he hasn’t devoted his LIFE to the service of our nation. He is a Veteran, and demands much more respect from you so called ‘good citizens’ of our Republic. I can compromise, you see. There is NO way all his policies are going to be implemented because (a) there’s something called the “Congress” and (b) We as a society are just not ready for such drastic changes. We are used to our ‘welfare state’. That sense of entitlement. But choosing Ron Paul will be a sign that we as a people are dissatisfied, something we tried with Obama that OBVIOUSLY has not worked out. If we keep our thumb on Iran, the hatred towards us will NOT go away. Two wrongs NEVER make a right. It is up to us as Leaders of the Free World to show people the way to go. It is never the easiest of choices we must take, but heaven knows it is the best one…say what you like about him, everyone agrees that this economy is a total MESS. He is the ONLY one who is actually addressing those issues square on. If he’s in power i’ll go to bed at night knowing that the corporations are being pinned back. And to toaster, Nicole, & every myopic sheep on here, US policy affects the WHOLE WORLD. That is part of the baggage that comes with being an American. Our policies affect EVERYONE. Not just us. Get your heads out into the open and smell the sweet coffee people. The fate of the world hangs in the balance. We moved navy ships into the Black Sea a couple of weeks ago, angering Russia. Why are we just LOOKING for a war we cannot afford?? WE are going to foot the bill. Not those fat cats in DC, You and ME. We are in this together whether we like it or not. I am not going to throw away my one chance at real freedom (or anything close to it) just because he is a ‘racist, anti – Semitic, heartless guy who’ll watch millions starve on the street’…all that is bull shit. Labelling. Look at his actions in Congress over the past 30 years. How do they live up to these accusations? It seems my brothers & sisters in the flag cannot see beyond Democrat or Republican. He offers a REAL change. A move away from the status quo. Call me a paid troll, a goblin, gnome, whatever. Your world affects mine. And vice versa. A word they say, is enough for the wise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthewmcd Matt McDaniel

    The one thing Ayn Rand and I would ever agree on is this: you cannot be an Objectivist and a Christian. And if you personally subscribe to either philosophies, you cannot support Ron Paul.

    If you are a true Objectivist, you must consider Paul to be a moron for believing in any sort of divine being. And if you’re a Christian, you have to believe that Paul is sinful for his lack of compassion for any other human being.

    And if you can support Ron Paul in spite of these contradictions, you are as fundamentally hypocritical as he is.

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      I am a Christian. How on earth does Ron Paul have NO compassion for any other human being? HOW? He argues that gays have a right to call their union whatever they want!! He argues that the banks take away from the poor and give to the rich!! He argues that blacks are targeted through the laws and precedents in our once great nation. I happen to agree with those facts. I am battling with my homophobia, but i agree that gay people have a right to live life the way they want. As so I. As do you. How is that a lack of compassion?? HOW??? You guys come on here and bash Ron Paul, which is perfectly fine…we don’t have to agree, but name someone else who is willing to REALLY tackle the issues that affect us all. And if living outside the US makes me less American than you then we are all doomed….

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    WTF is wrong with these people?

    We have Moore, Cenk, Greenwald, Hayes, Hamsher, and Olbermann all defending this racist homophobic anti-semitic ASSWIPE.

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      I’ll just take this time out to help you, lost sheep. You see, i think you dont even know when you contradict yourself. You admit he defended Israel’s right as a Sovereign nation to act as she sees fit concerning the safety of her people, yet you call him anti-Semitic. Nice. Nothing dumb there at all. Happy Holidays indeed….

      Maybe, just maybe, Moore, Cenk, Hayes, Hamsher et. al actually see through the wool corporate media has successfully covered your eyes with. He is not perfect, we can all agree on that. But he is sure as hell the only one willing to fight for your views, and not cater to the lobbyists…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joey-Tranchina/1145718170 Joey Tranchina

    I first encountered “Atlas Shrugged,” in my fraternity house in 1964. In the intervening 47 years, I have never known anyone who was enamored of Ayn Rand, for more than a month, who isn’t a wimp.

    Objectivism is the psychopaths philosophy. Obviously, psychopaths have no need of philosophical justification; it is only the gutless cowards, who would be predators, who attempt to rationally justify their rapacity.

    Let’s take the issues that Ron Paul is correct about and steal them:

    #1 Drug war is not a failure; it is a fraud, which has become a racist, cruel and stupid global-farce. Demand rational drug policy reforms.

    #2. America is not good at empire building. Americans do not travel enough to have good instincts about the world. (Anyone who questions that should do a quick study of the CIA’s history.) The military budget (now including the “homeland security” budget) is mainly misspent corporate welfare. Radically restrain the military budget, while demanding royalties be paid to the treasury for technologies developed via government funded research.

    3. Corporate bribery has distorted US politics beyond any ability to function justly. Demand the end to legalized bribery, with criminal sanctions.

    Dr. Paul is neither the author nor the most rational proponent for any of these policy shifts. The must be made essential elements of a progressive agenda, without the taint of Ron Paul’s pseudo-Libertarian lunacy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joey-Tranchina/1145718170 Joey Tranchina

    I first encountered “Atlas Shrugged,” in my fraternity house in 1964. In the intervening 47 years, I have never known anyone who was enamored of Ayn Rand, for more than a month, who isn’t a wimp.

    Objectivism is the psychopaths philosophy. Obviously, psychopaths have no need of philosophical justification; it is only the gutless cowards, who would be predators, who attempt to rationally justify their rapacity.

    Let’s take the issues that Ron Paul is correct about and steal them:

    #1 Drug war is not a failure; it is a fraud, which has become a racist, cruel and stupid global-farce. Demand rational drug policy reforms.

    #2. America is not good at empire building. Americans do not travel enough to have good instincts about the world. (Anyone who questions that should do a quick study of the CIA’s history.) The military budget (now including the “homeland security” budget) is mainly misspent corporate welfare. Radically restrain the military budget, while demanding royalties be more efficiently paid to the treasury for technologies developed via government funded research.

    3. Corporate bribery has distorted US politics beyond any ability to function justly. Demand the end to legalized bribery, with criminal sanctions.

    Dr. Paul is neither the author of nor the most rational proponent for any of these policy shifts. They must be made essential elements of a progressive agenda, without the taint of Ron Paul’s pseudo-Libertarian lunacy.

    • http://twitter.com/AfroflacoMM Skiñï §pittå

      Well said. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but who else is there??

  • JMAshby

    Where do these trolls come from?

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      i don’t know, but this one isn’t worth our time.

      • JMAshby

        Swatted. I think he/she/it ran its course.

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          Thank god! [exhausting] :)

  • http://twitter.com/jedijeff13 Jeff Wilk

    I love Ron Paul. And by “love”, I mean scared shitless.

  • http://twitter.com/scottie_reid Scott Reid

    Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are “out of [their] mind.” This idea that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is a complete idiot makes you appear very uneducated, and just wrong. Using words like “presumably” and “obvious” also take away from any kind of point you are trying to make. Another thing, a lot of people voted for Obama who did not agree with many of his positions (like being completely against gay marriage). You have to decide what issues matter to you and vote based on that. For many, that is war. For a lot of others, that is state-legal gay marriage.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      Oh please………..your comment here http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2011/12/to-the-left-of-president-obama-on-nothing.html#comment-396822280 indicates that you have absolutely NO idea as to what RP’s positions really are.
      He is NOT “for” gay marriage. He is AGAINST Federal involvement in gay marriage. He is also perfectly fine with any state which wants to penalize someone just for being gay.

      Try to understand, please. He is FOR states rights. This position allows him to say “I don’t mind gay marriage”, when the truth is he also doesn’t care if a particular state decides to throw gays in jail just for being gay.

      THAT is the man whose positions you defend. He is insane.

      FYI, gay marriage is already “state legal”/up to the states.

      • http://twitter.com/SugaRazor Razor

        I can almost guarantee Obama will come out in favor of federally protected gay marriage if reelected, which is kinda shitty and slimy, but I suppose changing your opinion once it’s politically convenient is better when it’s progressive, rather than Romney’s regressive stances.

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          Yup. I agree. Just recently the Pres smirked and said his view of gay marriage has been “evolving”.

          I am so looking forward to his second term, in part so I can kick some damn toxic sand in the faces of the so-called liberal emoprog racists.

      • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

        NO STATE IS GOING TO THROW GAY PEOPLE IN JAIL, YOU ARE INSANE AND EXTREME! YOU ALSO HAVE NO FAITH IN AMERICAN DECENCY. FIRST OF ALL THAT IS A VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS, WHICH RON PAUL VEHEMENTLY DEFENDS.

        You are hysterical lady.

        • muselet

          If you look to the left of the “A” key, there’s something called the “Caps Lock” key. PROTIP: if the little green light is on while you’re typing, yer doin it rong.

          –alopecia

    • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

      for me it’s ending the pointless drugwar (which proves Ron Paul is not a racist)

      Ending foreign wars (which also proves ron paul is not racist, brown people count too)

      investing at home* (which proves he is not against the poor, he wants to make opportunity for people that are poor (LIKE ME) )

      I also like that he is very pro-privacy and pro civil liberties, against SOPA, the NDAA, I mean the list goes on. Nobody else talks about doing anything that ROn Paul wants to do.

      It’s really too bad that he has newsletters that have 8 sentences that he didn’t even write that make him look bad.

      And the fact that he is pro states rights, he lets states dictate your abortion/gayrights issues. Although if you ever thought about that, I think lots of states would feel stupid for not making these things legal, because these states would become less inhabited quickly. Some states would just become a giant church. But since I live in Illinois, I’m not really worried about abortion or gay rights issues, i’m pretty sure my state would be cool with those things, as I am.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    It’s been a long, truly exhausting day. I’ll tell ya what, Bob, I’ll take the damn drones. Fuck Cenk, Greenwald, Hamsher, et al; it isn’t them who will be affected by a Ron Paul world. It is the poor. It is the people who can’t fight for themselves.

    FUCK the bastard emoprogs and the horse they rode in on!

  • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

    All I hear in this highly progressive blog, is ignoring all that shortcomings of Obama and emphasizing his hatred for Ron Paul because he hated him from the start. Seems like you creamed your pants when you found out he had racist newsletters with about 8 to 10 sentences that were really bad, that he didn’t even write. “but they are written under his name on his articles, he’s a racist”.

    If you look at his history as a human being (which you don’t want to do, nor do you care to do because you have a lazy blog and are going to blindly pledge your support to Obama anyways)

    You never mentioned the NDAA, SOPA, THE PATRIOT ACT, FOREIGN WARS and the Economy, which are all things that you all seem to be lacking an understanding in if you are going to support anybody BUT Ron Paul.

    I guess I figured out what that ridiculous article headline I read the other day that said, “Obama orders kill order on Ron Paul”. It must have meant that the progressive media can release the race card on him, because we know that never goes away. Even though he has Gay friends and black folks that have known him his whole life that say he is not a racist. You guys don’t want to hear that, you just want to hear that Ron Paul is a racist.

    Newt Gingrich voted against making MLK a national holiday. How come he is not a racist?

    People that say Ron Paul is racist because he voted against the civil rights act are stupid because they don’t realize that he wouldn’t have voted it down because of the Jim Crow laws, he would have voted it down because of property rights, the Chris Matthews (Obamanite) tried to spin this and so did Maddow, but if you think he can do anything about that today you are fucking nuts. You are actually afraid that people would put “whites only” signs in their windows? Do you live in the same country as I do? People are struggling for money, you think they are going to turn away business?

    Obama is Bush. Ron Paul breaks the mold, if you want to talk about ISSUES he will debate Obama under the table and he will bring issues to the forefront that everyone ignores.

    You send your kids to Iran, mine are staying home.

  • http://twitter.com/TruthWarriorBrn Burnal

    you are arguing the same social issues that every dem argues against republicans, BORING. I thought maybe you would have some insite on something new, but I guess not.

  • http://twitter.com/AminCad AminCad

    Paul would do more any figure in history to advance liberty.

    His position on abortion is based on his personal and valid belief that a fetus is an individual with rights. If you hold that belief, then the only proper position is to consider abortion murder, meaning a violation of liberty, and call for it to be prohibited.

    It’s also inaccurate to claim he’s opposed to regulations to prevent industries from polluting. He thinks pollution is a violation of people’s property ownership rights, and wants more local government, and courts, to deal with it.

    To reject Paul just because he doesn’t say the right things about global warming, or profess his allegiance to pro-choice mantra, is very myopic in my opinion.