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We criticize the media quite regularly here so I’m also going to give credit where it’s due.

In this clip, CNN’s Soledad O’Brien refuses to let Romney surrogate John Sununu get away with this fresh line of ‘bull.

The key exchange via Mediaite

“I’m telling you what FactCheck.com tells you,” she insisted. “I’m telling you what the CBO tells you. I’m telling you what CNN’s independent analysis does.”

“Put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead when you do this,” Sununu shot back.

“You know. Let me tell you something,” she continued. “There is independent analysis that details what this about and repeating a number–”

“No there isn’t,” he interrupted.

“Yes there is,” she replied.

“No,” Sununu insisted. “There’s Democratic analysis.”

If you’re going to challenge someone on their non-facts, make sure you put an Obama bumper sticker on your head first!

Now if only every appearance of a Romney surrogate produced the same outcome, we might be getting somewhere. Lies greater than those spewed by Sununu regularly go unchallenged.

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  • zirgar

    Clearly, if you’re being held accountable for your assertions, you’re being bullied or harassed. Why, what unremitting gall on Soledad O’Brien’s part. How rude! Poor Mr. Sununu thought this was going to be a nice little chat where he could disseminate uncontested bullshit to his heart’s delight.

    Geez. What is it about conservatism that turns its adherents into such insufferable turds? Or is it the other way around? What is it about conservatism that attracts such insufferable turds? Eh, I’m sure it’s both.

    • missliberties

      Here is a fact. Conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives.

      Conservatives have been rinsed in fertilizer and seeded in manure, to believe all of the lies that Fox News and hate radio sells. When they here any lie about Obama, the mythical enemy, they willingly lap it up.

      • GrafZeppelin127

        Conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives.

        Oh, no, I think the precise opposite is true. Consider first that practically everything conservatives (if we take that term to mean anyone who generally aligns himself with the GOP) say about liberals (same, as to Democrats) is false, in the sense that no real person actually believes, thinks, or wants what conservatives say liberals believe, think and want.

        Conservatives tend to talk about themselves, and about what they believe, think and want, not only in binary terms but in terms of absolute, immutable, fundamental rules. Liberals don’t do that as much; they tend to characterize their beliefs, thoughts and desires as preferences, compromises or rationalizations. But conservative thinking requires the conservative to characterize the liberal the same way he characterizes himself, except taking the opposite position and having an opposing rule.

        Take the most obvious issue, abortion. I’ll exaggerate a bit to make the point.

        Conservatives think abortion is wrong and should never be allowed, because it’s murder, period, end of discussion.

        Liberals aren’t fans of abortion and may also think it’s wrong, but acknowledge that sometimes it is necessary and sometimes it is the better option for the mother, and even though it is horrible it should still be available, safe, legal, and rare.

        I think liberals understand conservatives’ absolutism on this topic, even though they don’t agree with it. But I don’t think conservatives understand liberals’ more nuanced feelings about this issue as I described above, which, I would think, is the mainstream “liberal” position on abortion. To over-simplify a bit, they can’t imagine how a person could be both pro-life and pro-choice, as liberals typically are. Hence conservatives must believe and declare that liberals are “pro-abortion” or that they do not value human life, call them “baby killers” and even come up with ridiculous things like “forced abortion” and “abortion on demand” that no real person actually wants.

        The same applies issue by issue. Conservatives want “capitalism,” therefore liberals must want “socialism,” when in fact liberals want both (and don’t feel all that strongly about either one). Conservatives believe in “business” and hate “government,” therefore liberals must hate business and believe in government, when in fact liberals believe in both and hate neither. Conservatives believe the free market is the solution to every problem and government can’t solve anything, therefore liberals must believe that government is the solution to every problem and the free market can’t solve anything, when in fact liberals believe that government should solve some problems, the free market should solve others, and both in tandem should solve others. I could go on.

        I think liberals understand conservatives a lot better than vice-versa.

        • Ipecac

          Excellent post.

        • Staci Bass

          Conservatives think abortion is wrong and should never be allowed, because it’s murder, period, end of discussion.

          Unless your husband is a US congress critter and your last name is Santorum.

        • missliberties

          I somewhat disagree. What liberals don’t understand, is that even though to many of us, their policies seem ridiculously insane, they really are ‘true believers’ in their dogma. Not unlike the fundamentalist ideological zealotry espoused by some religious fanatics. There is no way to explain why a rational person would believe that dinosaurs were put on the earth the same times as Jesus, or that Paul Ryan’s budget is pure fantasy.

          What you are describing is the difference in thinking between the two.

          The reason many black folks are very very reluctant to mention racism, is because the conservatives have so successfully won the argument that if you say the word black you are automatically a racist.

        • mrbrink

          “Conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives.”

          I think there’s room for some nuanced considerations to the point.

          Conservatives prey upon liberals and Democrats and the general electorate, down to the soap boxes in Ye Olde Town Squares. They’re in our living rooms and medicine cabinets. They use million dollar language and market tested emotional imagery to manipulate otherwise good, kind-ish people. They bully and prod the media until they’re conditioned just right, and they’re relentless. And Conservative politics rob a grossly disproportionate of the electorate’s mindset, and their votes. Issue by issue people in general, and as a majority, are more liberal than conservative republican than they’ll admit because they’ve faced the bullying, and the prodding, and the hard-sell and so they keep buying damaged goods from the moneyed goon squad out of…fear?

          It was the liberals and Democrats who helped rally around Reagan and inflate his popularity and electoral legend in the same way they tried to rally around Bush after 9/11. They wouldn’t succeed if they weren’t good at manipulating people who would otherwise find them forever repugnant.

          • D_C_Wilson

            “I think there’s room for some nuanced considerations to the point.”

            Yes, but conservatives don’t “do” nuance, which I believe was Graf’s main point.

          • mrbrink

            Conservatism as a movement does manipulation very well, though, do they not?

            Their message isn’t a complicated one. Good/evil and “who’s your Daddy?”

            Liberals and Democrats are more prone to empathy and they prey upon it to great electoral success.

            So, how much better of an understanding does a knowledgeable liberal actually have over his conservative neighbor when the line between total fucktastrophe is the best president in modern history who just happens to be clinging to a negligible lead in the polls?

          • D_C_Wilson

            But, pointing and screeching that your opponent is an evilkenyanatheistmuslimsocialistnazi doesn’t take a lot of understanding of your opponent’s actual views.

            In fact, it really counts on your base being totally ignorant about them and willing to believe that he is the source of all evil in the world.

          • mrbrink

            They don’t have to do nuance. They do something else and they win elections.

            How much smarter are we if we keep letting them do that?

          • bphoon

            Conservatives prey upon liberals and Democrats and the general electorate, down to the soap boxes in Ye Olde Town Squares.

            I think this is a central point in understanding the dichotomy between what serves as “conservative” in today’s body politic and the “liberals”. There are two unassailable points being left out in this discussion that I think are essential to any understanding of those whom we call “conservative” (I resist calling them conservative outright since I’m old enough to remember real conservatives and what they stood for). They are: 1) Today’s “conservatives” think they have some inalienable, God-given right to rule; therefore, the end justifies any means including lying, cheating and stealing–especially lying. They care about one thing: gaining and maintaining power for power’s sake. 2) While liberals, as a rule, believe strongly in their principles and the policies used to implement them they think it’s important to play by rules that have been developed over time and generally accepted. I’m talking about such rules as relying on objective fact to make an argument, having a baseline of respect for the opposition and respectfully disagreeing with them, engaging in a spirited, fair debate and allowing the audience to reach their own value judgements. “Conservatives”, on the other hand, recognize no rules save those they make up on the spot. For validation of this, see point 1 above.

            Liberals have been victimized by “conservatives” on the basis of these two points for decades. It’s the means by which they have hijacked the Republican Party and are attempting to hijack the nation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Norris/1597765442 Michael Norris

    God bless Soledad O’Brien. More of this times a thousand!

  • missliberties

    If ONLY the rest of the media would act like real journalists.

    Has anyone heard of the book the New New Deal. It explicitly explains the remarkable priorities of the stimulus that were very much rooted in a future vision for the US. Also detailing that there was exactly .01% abuse of said funds. No small accomplishment. All thanks to Joe Biden. …… and why didn’t we hear any of this? Because the media, did not do their job. And neither did the liberal blogs I might ad.

    We should all e-mail or tweet our thanks to Soledad. She is spot on.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    The GOP/Fox paracosm can only be maintained if any “facts” or analysis that challenge or disprove what those within the paracosm believe or want to believe, is to characterize such facts or analysis as “Democratic” or “liberal” and therefore illegitimate.

    I, too, would like to see more of what Ms. O’Brien does here, especially on, for instance, oh, I don’t know, Meet the Press.

  • Zen Diesel

    Sununu has been sitting in the Fox Bubble for so long, thought he could peddle his bullshit unchecked. Excellent job Soledad.

  • Draxiar

    I thought I heard pig squealing in the interview…did anyone else hear it…or was that John Sununu being taken to the slaughter?

  • GeneralLerong

    Imagine the horror of having a job where one has to interview such vile and repulsive old toads and be civil about it.

    I guess the consolation prize is observing Sununu’s regression back to the toddler flinging oatmeal stage.

  • Victor_the_Crab

    “Put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead when you do this,” Sununu shot back.

    Ha-ha. Good one, Sununu. Now go put a Romney/Ryan bumber sticker across your ass cheeks with the words “Insert Here” scrawled in magic marker below it.

    • ninjaf

      I think you could still keep Sununu’s bumper sticker on his face…just above that flap hole he calls a mouth, with the arrow pointing there. He already appears to be (or at least ready to) fellating Romney/Ryan.

  • Lazarus Durden

    I have a crazy uncle that basically does the same thing. This is a dodge. It’s so they don’t have to answer the question. Any time I post an article on facebook he’s right on my page saying “That’s an arm of the DNC. All the issue is Democratic talking points.” Say what you will about the unthinking lemmings on the GOP side, but they have those talking points.

  • mrbrink

    I think he was giving her his best shots and pomp, too.

  • hanadora444

    Apparently Romney and his surrogates feel that they can say anything, anything at all and not be challenged. It (obviously) doesn’t have to be true, it doesn’t have to have anything to do with anything they said previously, and it doesn’t even have to make any sense. But once said by a Republican it must be unassailable. Surprising how many news people buy into this. Thank you, Soledad, for injecting some reality into the proceedings.