Pope Francis: Trickle-Down Economics ‘Never Confirmed by Facts’

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I’m not sure how much longer conservatives can pretend Pope Francis doesn’t exist if he continues to say things like this.

The pope also denounced “trickle-down” theories of economics promoted by many conservatives and politicians who espouse an unregulated free market.

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” he said. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.”

In the vernacular: thems fightin’ words.

If Francis was aiming to poke his finger directly into the eye of conservative politicians who cling to their godliness while cutting social programs or disenfranchising large swaths of people, this is a surefire way to get their attention.

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  • Victor_the_Crab

    Fox News must be burning the midnight oil in trying to come up with a spin on this.

  • muselet

    Paul Ryan’s head just exploded.

    –alopecia

    • Christopher Foxx

      Paul Ryan’s head just exploded

      Why? When hearing something they don’t want to hear, Republicans simply don’t hear it? Ryan will never hear something that would make his head explode.

      • muselet

        Agreed, to a point. However, Paul Ryan is (rather ostentatiously) Roman Catholic. He can’t simply ignore Pope Francis and has to be very careful in disagreeing with him, so Ryan has to try to resolve the cognitive dissonance. That has to be a terrible struggle for someone like Paul Ryan.

        Not that I have any sympathy for him, mind you.

        –alopecia

        • Christopher Foxx

          Paul Ryan’s budget shows he’s pretty capable of living with cognitive dissonance, and calls into serious question his following the teachings of Christ. In fact, being able to fully accept to completely opposing things and ignoring reality are kinda the two main requirements for being a modern Republican.

          I don’t think it’s something Ryan has to struggle with at all.

          • muselet

            I think it’s been fairly easy for Paul Ryan up to now, since the two previous popes were, to be undiplomatic, authoritarians who were more concerned with enforcing doctrinal purity than anything else (and if the pope doesn’t care about economic inequality, why should he?). With Francis now making noises about the Catholic Church’s obligations to the poor and downtrodden, and saying mildly negative things about unfettered capitalism, Ryan has a conundrum on his hands.

            My guess is that he is more than halfway to deciding Pope Francis is an antipope who can therefore safely be ignored, but since that is an opinion shared by a small, if rather noisy, minority of Catholics, Ryan is going to have to suffer in silence lest he offend the majority of American Catholics.

            Watching Paul Ryan try to square his Ayn Rand fixation with his Roman Catholocism should be quite entertaining.

            –alopecia

          • Badgerite

            Really. Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ aren’t exactly on the same page, are they?

          • Christopher Foxx

            My guess is that he is more than halfway to deciding Pope Francis is an antipope who can therefore safely be ignored,

            As I’ve said many times, when confronted with reality and what they want to believe, what a Republican wants to believe wins out every time, and without much struggle.

    • Nefercat

      Good!

    • Badgerite

      That must have been the noise I heard.

      • muselet

        Sort of like an overripe tomato hitting the floor?

        –alopecia

        • Badgerite

          LOL!

        • http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com/ IrishGrrrl

          Nah, that would imply there is actually something in his head other than the smoke he likes to blow up people’s asses.

  • Christopher Foxx

    I’m not sure how much longer conservatives can pretend Pope Francis doesn’t exist if he continues to say things like this.

    I think as long as he says things like that they will certainly continue to pretend he doesn’t exist.
    The option is to acknowledge they’ve been wrong, and conservatives simply don’t do that. Far easier to deny their god than admit their own fallibility.

  • missliberties

    Have the published this on Politico yet? :)

  • Nefercat

    Well, this long-lapsed Catholic is enjoying hearing this Pope speak, sounding so like the church I grew up in (not claiming it was perfect by any means). The one that fought for civil rights and social justice and free clinics. For economic and political policies that actually helped people.

    Archbishop Romero instead of gay-obsessed Rick Santorum and granny-starving Paul Ryan.

    The obsession with sexxx-birth control-abortion-eek!-homosexuality and lately capitalist-libertarian-Jesus to the exclusion of all else has been very disheartening to say the least.

    The support of humanity-hating right-wing agendas because they *claimed* to be pro-life when all evidence demonstrated that they weren’t was just so dispiriting.

    Keep poking them with sticks, Your Holiness. In a Christ-like way, of course. (I’m thinking of when he threw the money-changers out of the temple.)

  • Treading_Water

    Heh, that liberal socialist (possibly Kenyan) pope is only saying this to distract from the disastrous rollout of Obamacare. Oh, and also…BENGHAZI!!!

  • mrbrink

    Hahaha…Reaganomics is officially the devil in the eyes of the church and the world’s premier holy man, so where’s that put Ronald Reagan? Where’s that put the Moral Majority? All the airports and governmental shit with his name on it? Paul Ryan?

    Paul Ryan knows how you cure poverty and it has nothing to do with Reaganomics and his Path to Prosperity being diseased carriers of human suffering and indignity.

    “You cure poverty eye to eye, soul to soul. Spiritual redemption: That’s what saves people.”

    Eye to eye! Soul to soul, brother/moocher. This is about YOUR spiritual redemption. Paul Ryan’s already there at the poverty finish line and he wants to assure you that what the Pope means by trickle-down being naive and indefensibly immoral is that more money in the hands of the job creators is how you grow the economy and empower people to make their own choices.

    Is this really happening? Is conservatism being forced to repent? I can’t look away.

    • Badgerite

      Last time I checked, Paul Ryan “cured poverty” by showing up at a charity kitchen, making them reopen ( since it was late in the evening and they were closed) and washing some dishes that didn’t need to be washed —– for the cameras.
      I think that might put him in the ‘money changers’ category, but,
      “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

  • joseph2004

    So… does this mean the whole “FUCK JESUS!!!” playbook is in the drawer for a while?

    • Badgerite

      It means Catholics are seeing their Church and their Pope act as if they actually care about them again. It’s good to see.

    • gescove

      Never heard of that playbook. You may be confusing it with the “Fuck the people who invoke Jesus to excuse their miscreant efforts to hurt the poor, starve the hungry, deny healthcare to the sick, subjugate women, and expand crony/disaster capitalism for the benefit of themselves and the 1%” playbook. Regardless, I
      think it means that the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world are hearing a
      very different message from the head of their church these days. My
      early community/social justice organizing days were generously supported
      and abetted by the Catholic church. A more recent experience with a rural community group saw financial support withdrawn because a conservative bishop objected that the health insurance provided to staff (not paid by Catholic money, BTW) covered contraception. I find it very encouraging that this Pope is talking about economic and social justice issues instead.

    • Sabyen91

      Yes, the papacy now has someone that doesn’t say “FUCK JESUS!!!” and his teachings.

  • Erika Frensley

    “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

    Nailed it – the economic system has now become akin to a religion, and never to be questioned. That’s why those who question trickle-down are treated as heretics, rather than actually looking at the actual system, benefits, and disadvantages. I’m not religious, but only a few things should be deemed sacred – money and economies should never be part of that.

  • WiscoJoe

    If there is a God, some fearless journalist will ask Paul Ryan if ‘trickle down economics’ have ever been confirmed by facts. Follow up question: Does the Pope ever lie?

    • Zen Diesel

      The Zombie Eyed Granny Starver would just deflect with some nonsense about Obama economics policy without ever answering the question honestly.

  • WiscoJoe

    “I’m not sure how much longer conservatives can pretend Pope Francis doesn’t exist…”

    Well, it looks like instead of dealing with the Pope, ‘conservatives’ have simply decided to focus on a made-up ‘scandal’ about Obama personally destroying the US embassy at the Vatican as a means to insult all Catholics and show support for baby-killers or something. Srsly.

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/11/27/3001491/obama-closing-vatican-embassy/

    • muselet

      Somehow, I’m not surprised.

      –alopecia